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		<title>Comment on How Can Any Christian African American Vote for Obama? Throwing the Race Card on an All Black Table by davidgough</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this piece, Eric. I read it recently on your "Man from Issachar" page. In fact, I read it several times, each time finding my perspective broadening a bit more. Having had several days to let it sink in, I am convinced that, despite our attempts to harmoniously live with racial and cultural distinctives within the Christian community, there remains a divide that only love, patience, and intentional understanding will be able to bridge. Having the unique and God-given privilege to be a white pastor of a predominantly black church, I have struggled to understand why some of my people would consider voting for Senator Obama, given his "liberal" social positions and political inexperience. I do not "preach politics" from the pulpit and try not to be invasive as to why someone might choose to support a particular candidate or party. I am guided, however, by convictions grounded upon accurate biblical exegesis. You and I share that same tradition. Most of our people--in both "white" and "black" churches (and I dislike making those distinctions, but do so to make my point)--do not have the advantage (or desire, in most cases) to take apart the Word as you and I have. Therefore, they look to us as their spiritual leaders to help them along the way...in fact, our words often become more authoritiative to them than Scripture ("well, my pastor said..."). I honestly do not know what I will say to my predominantly African-American congregation as this year's election draws near, and will, therefore, continue to pray for wisdom to speak a word fit for the times. I am aware that some of our people see in Senator Obama the "great hope" to have a black man occupy the the most powerful position in the world. What a triumph that would be for their "race" after centuries of oppression and 150 years after the Emancipation Proclamation was signed. I understand that and applaud the fulfillment of that dream. What I suspect, however, is that their opinions and votes are being formed solely on the basis of race alone. Is Senator Obama truly the one they have looked for? Does anyone really think that he would represent them better than Presidents Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, or Clinton did? It is not because I am not a black man that leads me to reject Senator Obama's candidacy; but I do fear being branded "racist" if I share my reasons for rejecting him with my people. In fact, to be forthright, I am no less disillusioned with Senator McCain as a candidate on the other side. I would gladly support a black candidate who shared my Christian beliefs and core values. I say all of that to merely suggest that we need to be careful in how we speak of politics from our position as pastors lest we be misundertood and be found guilty of leading our people to a "promised land" that will never be able to fulfill the one we are called to lead them to. Both the Jeremiah Wrights and the Jerry Falwells should have taught us that. Thanks for letting me respond. I love you, Eric. You have my utmost respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this piece, Eric. I read it recently on your &#8220;Man from Issachar&#8221; page. In fact, I read it several times, each time finding my perspective broadening a bit more. Having had several days to let it sink in, I am convinced that, despite our attempts to harmoniously live with racial and cultural distinctives within the Christian community, there remains a divide that only love, patience, and intentional understanding will be able to bridge. Having the unique and God-given privilege to be a white pastor of a predominantly black church, I have struggled to understand why some of my people would consider voting for Senator Obama, given his &#8220;liberal&#8221; social positions and political inexperience. I do not &#8220;preach politics&#8221; from the pulpit and try not to be invasive as to why someone might choose to support a particular candidate or party. I am guided, however, by convictions grounded upon accurate biblical exegesis. You and I share that same tradition. Most of our people&#8211;in both &#8220;white&#8221; and &#8220;black&#8221; churches (and I dislike making those distinctions, but do so to make my point)&#8211;do not have the advantage (or desire, in most cases) to take apart the Word as you and I have. Therefore, they look to us as their spiritual leaders to help them along the way&#8230;in fact, our words often become more authoritiative to them than Scripture (&#8221;well, my pastor said&#8230;&#8221;). I honestly do not know what I will say to my predominantly African-American congregation as this year&#8217;s election draws near, and will, therefore, continue to pray for wisdom to speak a word fit for the times. I am aware that some of our people see in Senator Obama the &#8220;great hope&#8221; to have a black man occupy the the most powerful position in the world. What a triumph that would be for their &#8220;race&#8221; after centuries of oppression and 150 years after the Emancipation Proclamation was signed. I understand that and applaud the fulfillment of that dream. What I suspect, however, is that their opinions and votes are being formed solely on the basis of race alone. Is Senator Obama truly the one they have looked for? Does anyone really think that he would represent them better than Presidents Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, or Clinton did? It is not because I am not a black man that leads me to reject Senator Obama&#8217;s candidacy; but I do fear being branded &#8220;racist&#8221; if I share my reasons for rejecting him with my people. In fact, to be forthright, I am no less disillusioned with Senator McCain as a candidate on the other side. I would gladly support a black candidate who shared my Christian beliefs and core values. I say all of that to merely suggest that we need to be careful in how we speak of politics from our position as pastors lest we be misundertood and be found guilty of leading our people to a &#8220;promised land&#8221; that will never be able to fulfill the one we are called to lead them to. Both the Jeremiah Wrights and the Jerry Falwells should have taught us that. Thanks for letting me respond. I love you, Eric. You have my utmost respect.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Can Any Christian African American Vote for Obama? Throwing the Race Card on an All Black Table by randal125</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama being black is no where on the radar for me, I could care less about color.  He is Pro-choice, Pro-homosexual, and he wants Universal Healthcare so he is a Socialist.  A candidate with that stance is not getting my vote, regardless of color.  As far as the Christian aspect of this election the Evangelical movement of this country has dropped the ball.  We had a candidate in the Primaries and that was former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee.  I know I should get over that, however, I have said during the Primaries and now that this election is about the Soul of this Nation.  As I see it we, as Evangelicals have lost no matter the outcome of the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama being black is no where on the radar for me, I could care less about color.  He is Pro-choice, Pro-homosexual, and he wants Universal Healthcare so he is a Socialist.  A candidate with that stance is not getting my vote, regardless of color.  As far as the Christian aspect of this election the Evangelical movement of this country has dropped the ball.  We had a candidate in the Primaries and that was former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee.  I know I should get over that, however, I have said during the Primaries and now that this election is about the Soul of this Nation.  As I see it we, as Evangelicals have lost no matter the outcome of the election.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Can Any Christian African American Vote for Obama? Throwing the Race Card on an All Black Table by antiochkls</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grej,

How does one determine the "hierarchy of injustices?" Is that an exegetical move or something else (philosophical, ethical, political, etc.)?

Is it not subjective to declare abortion the #1 injustice issue? I am honestly asking. I am pro-life, but no one (black or white) has ever told me why abortion MUST be the #1 issue for a "Bible-believing" Christian. Obviously, Jesus and the prophets address many injustices. So where does one determine that, objectively, abortion is the top issue at al times and in all places?

Any insight would be appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grej,</p>
<p>How does one determine the &#8220;hierarchy of injustices?&#8221; Is that an exegetical move or something else (philosophical, ethical, political, etc.)?</p>
<p>Is it not subjective to declare abortion the #1 injustice issue? I am honestly asking. I am pro-life, but no one (black or white) has ever told me why abortion MUST be the #1 issue for a &#8220;Bible-believing&#8221; Christian. Obviously, Jesus and the prophets address many injustices. So where does one determine that, objectively, abortion is the top issue at al times and in all places?</p>
<p>Any insight would be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Can Any Christian African American Vote for Obama? Throwing the Race Card on an All Black Table by grej</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most African Americans are good church going bible-believing folks who have been betrayed
by religious leaders who too often have turned the pulpit into a forum for a political viewpoint
which is incompatible with the scripture  that I know.

Here is some scripture they should be teaching:

"What you do to the least of these you do unto me"

"Before I knit you in your mother's womb I knew
you".

Of course being pro-life is incompatible with what we know of Mr. Obama's history
and voting record.
Sen. Obama received the following scores on NARAL Pro-Choice America's Congressional Record on Choice. 

2007: 100 percent 
2006:  100 percent 
2005: 100 percent 

By the way, when he was in the Illinois legislature he voted against requiring a physician to save the life of an infant who had survived a botched abortion. This is a more extreme position than even most pro-abortion groups like NARAL have. He is as far as I know the most pro-abortion, pro homosexual candidate ever to run for president. If this man represents the new Christianity and the new America, God help us all.

One could disagree over issues such as war and the death penalty and still be a good Christian. Abortion and homosexuality are always and forever more wrong and serious evils. They
were wrong two thousand years ago and will be two thousand years from now.

Nothing sanctioned by man can have any validity or lasting if it is not also likewise sanctioned by God.
 
Mr. Obama is the first African-American to be nominated by a  major party, which is hugh. No man, however can come before God or the word of God. 

How any bible-believing loving Christian, African-American or otherwise can even consider voting for this man is beyond me.

How one could even compare the taking of an innocent life with any other issue is beyond me.

In the hierarchy of injustices, this is number one.

Question:What does one human life mean to God?(not to man, but to God). 

It's estimated Henry Hyde through his Hyde Amendment may have save a million lives. If he only
saved one is that not worth it?
"
Maggie Styles, staff counsel for Americans United for Life, says that a pro-life president "could help build a culture of life through judicial appointments, the enactment and defense of pro-life laws and policies, executive orders, vetoes and judicial appointments."


If ten young men grow up impoverished and only one of them survives and escapes it is that not worth it?
Rather than someone who would have suggested aborting them to their mothers? 

The day will come for each of us when we will have to stand before God and justify our every action,
including voting for someone like this.

There is a picture at the bottom of the National Right to LIfe web page(nrlc.org). Go there and
scroll down and take a look and think long and hard about how you're going to vote.

With knowledge comes responsibility. People today are very
hard-hearted and stiff-necked, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most African Americans are good church going bible-believing folks who have been betrayed<br />
by religious leaders who too often have turned the pulpit into a forum for a political viewpoint<br />
which is incompatible with the scripture  that I know.</p>
<p>Here is some scripture they should be teaching:</p>
<p>&#8220;What you do to the least of these you do unto me&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Before I knit you in your mother&#8217;s womb I knew<br />
you&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course being pro-life is incompatible with what we know of Mr. Obama&#8217;s history<br />
and voting record.<br />
Sen. Obama received the following scores on NARAL Pro-Choice America&#8217;s Congressional Record on Choice. </p>
<p>2007: 100 percent<br />
2006:  100 percent<br />
2005: 100 percent </p>
<p>By the way, when he was in the Illinois legislature he voted against requiring a physician to save the life of an infant who had survived a botched abortion. This is a more extreme position than even most pro-abortion groups like NARAL have. He is as far as I know the most pro-abortion, pro homosexual candidate ever to run for president. If this man represents the new Christianity and the new America, God help us all.</p>
<p>One could disagree over issues such as war and the death penalty and still be a good Christian. Abortion and homosexuality are always and forever more wrong and serious evils. They<br />
were wrong two thousand years ago and will be two thousand years from now.</p>
<p>Nothing sanctioned by man can have any validity or lasting if it is not also likewise sanctioned by God.</p>
<p>Mr. Obama is the first African-American to be nominated by a  major party, which is hugh. No man, however can come before God or the word of God. </p>
<p>How any bible-believing loving Christian, African-American or otherwise can even consider voting for this man is beyond me.</p>
<p>How one could even compare the taking of an innocent life with any other issue is beyond me.</p>
<p>In the hierarchy of injustices, this is number one.</p>
<p>Question:What does one human life mean to God?(not to man, but to God). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s estimated Henry Hyde through his Hyde Amendment may have save a million lives. If he only<br />
saved one is that not worth it?<br />
&#8221;<br />
Maggie Styles, staff counsel for Americans United for Life, says that a pro-life president &#8220;could help build a culture of life through judicial appointments, the enactment and defense of pro-life laws and policies, executive orders, vetoes and judicial appointments.&#8221;</p>
<p>If ten young men grow up impoverished and only one of them survives and escapes it is that not worth it?<br />
Rather than someone who would have suggested aborting them to their mothers? </p>
<p>The day will come for each of us when we will have to stand before God and justify our every action,<br />
including voting for someone like this.</p>
<p>There is a picture at the bottom of the National Right to LIfe web page(nrlc.org). Go there and<br />
scroll down and take a look and think long and hard about how you&#8217;re going to vote.</p>
<p>With knowledge comes responsibility. People today are very<br />
hard-hearted and stiff-necked, however.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Can Any Christian African American Vote for Obama? Throwing the Race Card on an All Black Table by antiochkls</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

Thanks for the helpful post. Obviously some have mistaken your intent. Don't worry about that. Obviously, the theocrats will vote for no candidate, unless Paul or Moses run - oh no, they have sinned also.

According to the "standards" of some on this blog, there will be a lot of faithful Christian not voting this fall. Thank you for helping those who will be participating in the process.

Grace to you from SBTS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>Thanks for the helpful post. Obviously some have mistaken your intent. Don&#8217;t worry about that. Obviously, the theocrats will vote for no candidate, unless Paul or Moses run - oh no, they have sinned also.</p>
<p>According to the &#8220;standards&#8221; of some on this blog, there will be a lot of faithful Christian not voting this fall. Thank you for helping those who will be participating in the process.</p>
<p>Grace to you from SBTS</p>
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		<title>Comment on Albert Mohler Radio Show Where Are All the Brothers? with &#8220;Thank You&#8221; to Many by pastoralan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

Your previous post on Barrack Obama is simple genius. You're a great writer, especially in that post. It helps Anglos get closer to where African-Americans are. 

The post is good, but doesn't settle the issue for me. I'm not Black though so I can only speak for me. I am considering not voting this year too. I have problems with both men, especially Obama. I would love to vote for him just because he is Black, but can't do that. 

I'm glad you're in the SBC leading and influencing White folks to understand the racial challenge more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>Your previous post on Barrack Obama is simple genius. You&#8217;re a great writer, especially in that post. It helps Anglos get closer to where African-Americans are. </p>
<p>The post is good, but doesn&#8217;t settle the issue for me. I&#8217;m not Black though so I can only speak for me. I am considering not voting this year too. I have problems with both men, especially Obama. I would love to vote for him just because he is Black, but can&#8217;t do that. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re in the SBC leading and influencing White folks to understand the racial challenge more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Can Any Christian African American Vote for Obama? Throwing the Race Card on an All Black Table by Albert Mohler Radio Show Where Are All the Brothers? with &#8220;Thank You&#8221; to Many &#171; A Man from Issachar</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the smiley face, I didn't realize the keystroke combination would do that. It was certainly not intended.</description>
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		<title>Comment on How Can Any Christian African American Vote for Obama? Throwing the Race Card on an All Black Table by ronjourlocke</title>
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		<description>Job,

First, there has not been a presidential candidate that has obeyed all of God's commands personally and in political policy. To say that one should not vote for Obama because of his position on child-killing is acceptable. But every candidate is evil. Reagan divorced and remarried. Kennedy was involved with the mafia and was an adulterer. The list goes on and on. What candidate has not capitalized on nationalistic pride (cf. Is. 9:8-12)? What candidate has seriously sought justice for the poor and oppressed (cf. Is. 10:1-4)? What candidate has called for the nation to trust in the one true living God instead of politics, prosperity and military power (cf. Ps. 20, 49, 146)? By your standards, if the candidates cannot obey God in their personal lives or political policies, voting would be both unethical and sinful.

Second, our nation is built on the democratic process. In other words, we the people have a wshare in the government of our nation. We are thus also held responsible. As Christians, we are concerned primarily with the Gospel and its spread in our nation and abroad. We should be concerned about the direction of the nation for the sake of the Gospel and the glory of God. Voting is not an exercise of the flesh but of the common grace of God on our nation. The sinfulness of the options should not surprise us.  In a fallen world, we can only ask, "Which one will be more faithful in defending the nation, upholding righteousness and caring for the 'fatherless and the widow'?" 

I am not necessarily defending or supporting Obama. I just believe that saying one candidate is disqualified because of a sinful policy would disqualify every candidate who would ever run for office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Job,</p>
<p>First, there has not been a presidential candidate that has obeyed all of God&#8217;s commands personally and in political policy. To say that one should not vote for Obama because of his position on child-killing is acceptable. But every candidate is evil. Reagan divorced and remarried. Kennedy was involved with the mafia and was an adulterer. The list goes on and on. What candidate has not capitalized on nationalistic pride (cf. Is. 9:8-12)? What candidate has seriously sought justice for the poor and oppressed (cf. Is. 10:1-4)? What candidate has called for the nation to trust in the one true living God instead of politics, prosperity and military power (cf. Ps. 20, 49, 146)? By your standards, if the candidates cannot obey God in their personal lives or political policies, voting would be both unethical and sinful.</p>
<p>Second, our nation is built on the democratic process. In other words, we the people have a wshare in the government of our nation. We are thus also held responsible. As Christians, we are concerned primarily with the Gospel and its spread in our nation and abroad. We should be concerned about the direction of the nation for the sake of the Gospel and the glory of God. Voting is not an exercise of the flesh but of the common grace of God on our nation. The sinfulness of the options should not surprise us.  In a fallen world, we can only ask, &#8220;Which one will be more faithful in defending the nation, upholding righteousness and caring for the &#8216;fatherless and the widow&#8217;?&#8221; </p>
<p>I am not necessarily defending or supporting Obama. I just believe that saying one candidate is disqualified because of a sinful policy would disqualify every candidate who would ever run for office.</p>
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